Why? It’s the question that draws so many of us to true crime. Why would someone kill? What drives a person to stalk? Are some people truly evil? Are good people capable of terrible things? We grapple with these questions, trying to make sense of the unimaginable. Is it their childhood? Their biology? Or something more complex? These aren’t just the questions we ask. Detectives, forensic psychologists, and criminal behaviour analysts have spent lifetimes trying to understand the minds of those who commit the unthinkable. In this episode, you'll hear from these experts.  Crime Insiders is hosted by Brent Sanders and Kathryn Fox. Guests in this episode include Ricky Hennessy, Professor Troy McEwan, and Julia Cowley.  If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Men's Referral Service (National counselling, information and referral service for men looking to change their behaviour) 1300 766 491 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The ripple effects of crime stretch further than we often imagine—touching lives in ways that are raw, profound, and deeply personal. On Crime Insiders, we’re privileged to hear the untold stories of those who face crime's impact head-on.  In this episode, we’ll delve into some of these extraordinary stories.  Crime Insiders is hosted by Brent Sanders and Kathryn Fox. Guests in this episode include Professor David Balding, Jason Semple, Peter Baines and Carla Tomadini.  If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Men's Referral Service (National counselling, information and referral service for men looking to change their behaviour) 1300 766 491 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What we've learnt | The human impact of working in crime

What we've learnt | The psychology of crime

10 years ago, Sydney came to a standstill. A lone gunman took 18 hostages captive inside the Lindt Café, some of whom escaped, others were trapped for 16 harrowing hours.  The siege ended in the deaths of two innocent people—Tori Johnson, executed by the terrorist, and Katrina Dawson, struck by a ricochet from a police bullet when the Tactical Operations Unit stormed the building. In the aftermath, public outrage boiled over as the government and police were heavily criticised for their handling of the crisis. So what really happened behind the scenes? In this episode, hear two firsthand accounts from those who lived it.  Crime Insiders is hosted by Brent Sanders and Kathryn Fox. Guests in this episode include Danny Mikati and Chris Craner. If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Lindt Cafe Siege 10 Years On

When the bodies in the barrels were found, Australia was rocked. A murder investigation was underway, and forensics was set to play a huge part. But where to even begin? Professor Roger Byard AO had been working in forensics for just two weeks when he got the call. A set of barrels had been found in a bank vault, and he was needed at the scene. The investigation that followed was taxing on Roger, and the community in South Australia, but the work was meaningful and would lead to successful convictions and answers for families.  Unpack this case and more with host Kathryn Fox, as Roger takes her through his career in forensics and beyond.  If this content affected you, the number for Lifeline is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | The Snowtown Serial Killings

Over a harrowing 69 minutes on September 2013, 12 people were shot dead and many more wounded in what was Washington DC's deadliest mass shooting. Navy contractor Aaron Alexis terrorised thousands of workers at the Washington Navy Yard. Former FBI Agent Timothy Gallagher led the operation at the navy yard, and he describes to host Brent Sanders how hours felt like minutes as he and his colleagues raced against time to find and capture the killer. If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES | The Washington Navy Yard Shooting

A man-hunt that lasted more than 7 years. One of Australia's most wanted men finally caught. But by who? And at what cost? Ricky Hennessy was an integral member of the NSW Police Force for over 22 years. His skill, and level of focus lead to several high-profile convictions all across Australia. One of his most notable, was the capture of fugitive and convicted killer Malcolm Naden; who was on the run in NSW bushland for more than 7 years.  With host and former police officer Brent Sanders, understand Ricky Hennessy's work - and experience a behind the scenes retelling of the capture of Naden, and the interview and interrogation which lead to a successful conviction.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | The hunt for Malcolm Naden

One night, four crime scenes, 32 gunshot wounds, and eight members of the same family slain in their homes. Two years later, a local family of four was arrested for the murders. These are the events now known as the Piketon Massacre, Ohio's most notorious mass murder. Dive into the chilling details of this case with forensic investigator, Joseph Scott Morgan. Known for his insights on high-profile cases, Joseph brings his deep expertise to this now infamous investigation. In this episode, Kathryn Fox and Jospeph explore the forensic intricacies of the Piketon case, the twisted familial connections, and what this case reveals about the impact of violent crime on society.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS | The Piketon Massacre

CTE is surprisingly common - but, it can only be diagnosed post-mortem, and by a forensic expert. So, how is does an examination work? And why is it so hard to have one done?  Dr Linda Iles is a forensic neuropathologist, and someone who performs post-mortem brain examinations on people every single day. What she discovers in these exams is extraordinary, and revealing of the life that person lead.  Understand how someone is diagnosed with CTE post-mortem, and the intricate details of brain examinations with host Kathryn Fox; as she chats with Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine's Dr Linda Iles.  Crime Insiders executive producer Dan Mullins presents a look back at one of our earlier episodes. For more information on CTE or if anyone you know is showing symptoms and you need support, visit the following resources:  https://www.concussionfoundation.com.au/helplineSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | The connection between CTE and crime

A young cop in England realises whilst chasing a suspect with a rifle that his life will never be the same again. It lead to infiltrating football hooligans as a 17-stone skinhead.  Garry Rogers QPM is a former undercover operative who served 30 years with the Greater Manchester Police.  Garry played a key role in one of the UK's most successful undercover policing operations, targeting the football hooliganism that blighted the domestic and international game. The undercover operation was so successful, that the GMP extended the operation to target serious and violent crime, and it was Garry who gained the trust of armed robbers, drug dealers, and a murderer.  If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Men's Referral Service (National counselling, information and referral service for men looking to change their behaviour) 1300 766 491 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES | Infiltrating England's Football Hooligans

Taskforce Argos was built to catch the worst of the worst - to infiltrate and stop child exploitation material networks.  Its former head, Jon Rouse spent years in the operation, and became entrenched in the world of saving children from abuse and sexual exploitation. Now, he's got some distance from the front-line, but, questions still linger. How does it all affect him? And what is he doing now after leaving the force?  Unpack the incredible career, and the merciless work that Jon Rouse and the team at Taskforce Argos undertook, with host Brent Sanders. From analysing the most disturbing of images, to infiltrating online networks and executing raids. As many heard in the award winning podcast series The Children in the Pictures, Jon's work took him across borders, and down dark roads. Hear him explain the work and the toll it takes on this episodes of Crime Insiders: Detectives.  This episode contains references to child sexual abuse and child exploitation material - please listen with care.  If anyone you know has been affected by this material or you've been affected yourself, please reference the following resources:  https://www.afp.gov.au/what-we-do/operational-support/australian-centre-counter-child-exploitationSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | Taskforce Argos

When a human body is discovered in the United States, there is a person who takes on the role of eyes and ears of the dead: the death investigator. There is a whole chain of officials from the police, to forensic pathologists, to families and loved ones that depend on these specialists to unlock stories the dead can no longer tell. No one knows this role like Joseph Scott Morgan.  In this episode, host Kathryn Fox and Joseph peel back the layers of this hidden world: the science, the secrets, and the sacrifices of those who witness the grim reality of death day in and day out.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS | Clues only a death investigator sees

What happens when you report a sexual assault? What are the processes and how do they affect the outcome of a case? In this episode, former GP Kathryn Fox speaks to forensic physician Dr Maaike Moller to demystify and debunk the process of reporting a sexual assault. Maaike will walk us through how and when to report an assault, how evidence and DNA is collected from a survivor, and the autonomy of the survivor throughout the whole process. Maaike also shares her expertise on drug-facilitated assault and stealthing.  Please note, this podcast is not a replacement for professional advice. If you've been assaulted or suspect your drink has been spiked, please contact your local police or seek medical advice from a health professional or local hospital.  Crime Insiders executive producer Dan Mullins presents a look back at one of our earlier episodes. This episode discusses sexual assault. Information and support for anyone affected by rape or sexual abuse issues is available in Australia at 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | What happens during a forensic sexual assualt exam?

How did Anne Hamilton-Byrne control her followers? How did the police eventually catch her? And what happened to the dozens of children that were in the 'care' of The Family.  Lex de Man investigated The Family for more than four years, and helped rescue dozens of children from the abuse of Anne Hamilton-Byrne and her followers.  Join Lex as he walks host Brent Sanders through the case in exclusive detail, and explains how he and the Victorian Police were able to arrest and charge Anne Hamilton-Byrne.  This episode contains references to the abuse of children. If it affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES | The Cult of The Family

When an off-duty officer made a disturbing discovery off a country road in Sheffield, detectives were immediately notified. They rushed to the scene to preserve evidence and begin piecing together clues. For Detective Nigel Donohue though, despite the horrific scene, this case proved much more complex, and more disturbing than what initially appeared.  Former South Yorkshire Detective Inspector Nigel Donohue joins Brent Sanders to walk him through his 31 year plus career, and offers insight into the UK police system and how things are different to Australia.  If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | The Sheffield Scythe Murders

Does your family have a favourite recipe, a meal that feels like home? For Mario, that was his wife’s famous spaghetti and meatballs. But one evening, what should have been a comforting dish left him feeling... uneasy. And then, it happened again and again. Was it just a bad batch—or something far more sinister? In this episode, meet John Franceschini, a forensic chemist with over 30 years of experience in private labs. Outside the reach of police or government, he uncovers the truth about what's really on our plates, and in our drugs.  Join host Kathryn Fox and dive into not one, but two cases of alleged food poisoning, the elusive dangers of synthetic drugs, and why independent forensic labs may be the last line of defense in the search for truth. If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS | A Meatball Murder Plot?

The murder of Inge Lotz is one of the most controversial homicide investigations in South Africa's history. A lone fingerprint police claim to have lifted from a DVD case led to the acquittal of the alleged murderer, and resulted in accusations of fabricated evidence. Dr Scott Chadwick is a fingermark detection expert. His research focuses on optimising existing fingermark detection techniques and developing new reagents for revealing fingermarks on the most challenging of surfaces.   In this episode, join host Kathryn Fox, and hear about the science behind the acquittal of Inge Lotz's accused killer, and the importance of transparent and accurate crime scene investigation. Crime Insiders executive producer Dan Mullins presents a look back at one of our earlier episodes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | The DVD Murder

It’s July 7th 2005, and it’s a typically busy morning on London’s underground. It’s like any other day. But then, simultaneously, three trains and a double decker bus explode.  Smoke fills the carriages, and panic and devastation takes over London.  Detective Gary Powell was sitting at his desk when he heard what we now know as the 7/7 terrorist attacks. Gary sits down with host Brent Sanders to talk about this case, and others from his time in the counter terrorism unit of the UK police.  This content contains references to suicide. If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES | The London Bombings

A single incident, can lead police down a path, which if they're not taken off, can lead to horrific consequences. Beth Docksey had an illustrious career in the force, and should be recognised as one of NSW Police's shining lights. However, it took a surge of immense courage and resilience to get to where she is now. After a critical incident at the Eastwood Shopping Centre in Sydney - her husband Glenn began down a path that not many understood, one which culminated in a horrific incident years later. The Crime Insiders team would like to extend a sincere thanks to Beth Docksey for giving her time and candour for this interview. Brent and the whole team would like to thank her for her service, and her continued work in bringing awareness to the challenges of mental health in policing.  If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | The Eastwood Shopping Centre Shooting

In a quiet English town, 13-year-old Billie Jo Jenkins was brutally murdered on the porch of her foster home.  Her foster father, Sion Jenkins, was convicted of the crime, but after two retrials, he was acquitted in 2006 - leaving one of the UK's most notorious murders unsolved.  Despite his acquittal, the jury never delivered a ‘not guilty’ verdict, making this case even more perplexing.   Professor Adrian Linacre is a forensic blood spatter expert, who’s worked on hundreds of cases across the world, including the Billie Jo Jenkins murder investigation.  In this episode, uncover the twists and turns in this highly controversial case, go inside the courtroom drama, and unravel the delicate balance between forensic science and justice. If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Men's Referral Service (National counselling, information and referral service for men looking to change their behaviour) 1300 766 491 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS | Who murdered Billie Jo Jenkins?

Comedian Eurydice Dixon and student Aya Maasarwe were both victims of horrific crimes. The first responding forensic expert to those scenes was Jo Glengarry. She facilitated the investigation and performed the forensic tasks which contributed to convictions.  Understand Professor Glengarry's process when being a first responding forensic expert to violent and confronting scenes, and understand the personal and professional toll that these cases had on her.  Host Kathryn Fox talks to Jo about  and understands the nature of these crimes and how forensic experts respond and what processes go into facilitating a successful conviction.   If you or someone you know is experiencing family violence, phone 1800 RESPECT. (1800 737 732) For counselling, advice and support for men who have anger, relationship or parenting issues, call the Men’s Referral Service on 1300 766 491. If this content affects you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14.  For more resources specific to your state or territory, visit www.respect.gov.au/services/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

REWIND | Responding to Violent Crimes

On the 3rd of March 2021, 33 year old Sarah Everard was kidnapped and murdered in South London.  A week after her disappearance, police officer Wayne Couzens was arrested and charged. He had used his badge to lure Sarah into his car by lying, and saying she was in breach of Covid Protocols.  The case became a watershed moment in the UK, devastating the community and leaving the nation understandably distrusting of the police. Steve Gaskin, a former Detective, became obsessed with the case and the failings of the MET police that led to Sarah’s murder. Steve joined host Brent Sanders to discuss this case and the psychology of offending.  This content contains references to men's violence against women. If this content affected you, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732 or Life Line on 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES | How a cop became a killer

A shattered glass door, stolen homemade jam, and a fatal encounter... This is the crime scene forensic firearms expert, Dr Eric Warren, was called to in Maury City, Tennessee. Soon, the truth begins to emerge. But who fired the fatal shots, and why? Join host Kathryn Fox as Eric reveals the complexities of investigating and prosecuting gun-related incidents in the United States, and shares his alienating experience of transitioning from working for law enforcement to private practice.  If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Maury City Murder

On the 9th of April 1995, a rental truck was unassumingly parked in front of a federal building in Oklahoma City. Seconds later, the truck exploded. 169 people, including children, were killed. Almost instantly. A massive investigation unfolded. Jeff Lanza, a seasoned FBI agent, was deeply involved. He immediately got to work acquiring information and starting the hunt for the person responsible. Jeff joins host Brent Sanders on this episode of Crime Insiders: Detectives to share insight from this case and many others from his time in the FBI.  If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Oklahoma City Bombing

The internet changed the world forever, connecting us like never before, allowing unprecedented access to information and people worldwide.  For these reasons, it’s been hijacked by criminals to infiltrate and commit heinous offences, leading to an explosion of organised crime. Dr. Dennis Desmond is a former FBI special agent and counterintelligence expert who’s seen the darkest corners of the digital world. In this episode, he reveals how the sinister side of cryptocurrency and the dark web is creeping into the lives of ordinary civilians, and how one of the world’s most downloaded phone apps is surveilling its users, putting them at risk of prosecution.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Crypto-laundering & Spy Tradecraft

In the 1980s in, Canada, unregulated sex work was rampant. Pimps were known to procure young, vulnerable girls in bars and clubs, and offer them ‘work’ in exchange for safety.  However, the safety never came, and quickly turned to threats of violence against the girls and their families.Police identified Tony Provo, a suspected pimp who had been seen trawling local bars.  To catch him, Canadian police used a unique tactic, and assigned young officer Carol Cooke to go undercover as a teenager, and move through the bars to attract Provo. Carol joined Brent Sanders from the Melbourne studio to share this case and others from her time in the force.  This content contains references to mens violence against women. If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Toronto Pimp Case | Carol Cooke

Behind every DNA sample is a person with a story. But when does DNA evidence reveal the truth? And when does it mislead? And in places like Tennessee, where the stakes are life or death, how much should we trust the science presented in court? Sam Spencer is a forensic biologist who has worked on over 1400 cases and provided expert testimony across the US. In this episode hosted by Kathryn Fox, hear the chilling reason why Sam chose this career path, what it's like working for the prosecution versus the defense, and unravel a case far more complex than it appears on the surface.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Erotic asphyxiation & murder

As the button was pressed, and the building began to fall, terror spread across the capital. Former detective Greg Ranse was there that day, and ran the investigation that followed. It was arduous, and unravelled one of Australia’s worst workplace disasters… Greg joins host Brent Sanders to talk through this case and others on the Crime Insiders: Detectives podcast. This content contains graphic references to the death of a child. If it affects you, the number for LifeLine is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Canberra Hospital Demolition

For 20 years, Sheree Spencer subjected her husband to horrific physical, emotional, and financial abuse. Similarly, Jordan Worth controlled, beat, stabbed, starved, and tortured her boyfriend, becoming the first woman in UK history to be convicted of coercive control-related offences. As society grapples with the overwhelming issue of men's violence against women, our understanding of domestic violence is expanding, and we're uncovering the lesser-known reality of female perpetrators and male victims. In this episode, Dr. Jenny Mackay, a forensic psychology lecturer with expertise in women who commit interpersonal violence, reveals the nuanced differences and similarities between male and female perpetrators, and what these insights mean for tackling domestic abuse in all its forms. If you or someone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 MensLine (Help, support, referrals &amp; counselling services for men) 1300 78 99 78 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Female perpetrators of domestic violence

In 1997, police were on high alert, as gang wars were threatening to take over Sydney. Armed bikies were rampaging through the streets, often in stolen vehicles, wreaking havoc and committing brazen crimes in busy public areas.  On one warm day in November, general duties officer Jeff Garland spotted two men with their hands concealed in heavy trench coats rush into a silver porsche.  Immediately, something seemed off. The coats when it was so warm, the hands in their pockets and the flash car. He could’ve easily let them go, but instead he followed his hunch and pursued the two men.  Join host Brent Sanders as Jeff unpacks this case and a number of others from his time in the force.  If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Redfern Double Murder | Jeff Garland

In 2012, the body of Federica Mangiapelo was found by a lake in Italy. The coroner declared it a natural death, with the main suspect in the case claiming he was nowhere near the scene. But one tiny organism, invisible to the naked eye, proved otherwise. Dr Paola Magni is a pioneer in aquatic forensics, a highly specialised and innovative form of criminal investigation. In this episode hosted by Kathryn Fox, discover how everything from plankton to barnacles can help bring criminals to justice and provide crucial answers to grieving families. If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Men's Referral Service (National counselling, information and referral service for men looking to change their behaviour) 1300 766 491 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How plankton unmasked a murderer | Dr Paola Magni

Without the internet, police were unable to track offender behaviour, and heavily relied on victim survivor testimony.  These interviews were crucial, and required care and empathy, as one misstep, and evidence could be lost and a victim survivor left unheard.  Former detective Andrew Patterson was part of a special task force investigating paedophiles in Perth, and was the one who spoke to hundreds of victim survivors.. One morning, he received information about a sexual predator, and descriptions of an underground chamber with shiny chrome walls. He and his team set about investigating the offender, and finding survivors. He sat down with host Brent Sanders to explain this case, and others from his career.  This content contains references to child sexual abuse, if this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Investigating sexual predators in the 1990s | Andrew Patterson

The illegal wildlife trade is a multi billion dollar industry, raking in an estimated $24 million globally. And in Australia, our unique reptiles are hotter commodities than ever, with single animals fetching tens of thousands of dollars on the black market. This lucrative trade attracts in criminals from transnational organized crime networks, who exploit wildlife trafficking to test illegal drug importation routes and make a fortune. Among those entangled in this dangerous business was former NRL star Martin Kennedy, who played for the Sydney Roosters and Brisbane Broncos. In this episode hosted by Kathryn Fox, hear from Dr. Greta Frankham, a wildlife forensic scientist heading Australia's only accredited animal forensics lab. Uncover how cutting-edge science is helping to crack down on wildlife crime, protect our precious biodiversity and disrupt organised crime.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Inside the $24 billion illegal wildlife trade | Dr Greta Frankham

In 1980, three friends were travelling on the South Western Highway from Perth to Harvey. They encountered a slight bend in the road and crashed into a tree. One of the friends, Terry, died at the scene, the two others escaped with minor injuries.  Investigations to find who was responsible began, but, both friends denied being the driver. The case was strange, and investigator Hadyn Green was unable to make an arrest until the appearance of a surprise piece of evidence.  Hadyn sat down with host Brent Sanders to unpack the circumstances around the crash and to explain the crippling reality of delivering death notices to families.  This episode contains graphic references to motor vehicle fatalities and suicide. For support, dial Life Line or if you have lost a loved one on the roads, visit https://ambercommunity.org.au/. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Christmas Card Confession | Hadyn Green

Remember when the internet erupted over whether a viral audio clip was depicting the name ‘Yanny’ or ‘Laurel’? Or did you know over 20% of people are convinced ABBA is singing ‘see that girl, watch her scream, kicking the dancing queen, instead of the actual lyrics ‘see that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing in queen’? These playful debates light up our social media feeds, but what happens when misheard words have far more serious consequences, like in a videotaped murder confession or a panicked emergency call? Dr Phil Rose, is a speech scientist specializing in forensic voice comparison and disputed utterances. In this episode, discover why no one can say the same word twice in exactly the same way, explore the limitations of ear witness accounts, and delve into the implications of deep fakes on the future of forensic voice identification. If you or someone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Fingerprinting the human voice | Dr Phil Rose

Just before midnight on the 6th of December 1994, Elisabeth Membrey arrived home from her shift at the Manhattan Hotel in Melbourne. Police estimated that by 3AM, she was dead, concluding she’d been murdered in her hallway.  16 years later, in 2010, after a tireless investigation, former Detective Tim Peck was able to finally make an arrest. But, as the case went to court - it soon turned from a successful investigation to Tim tragically spiralling into a dark and near fatal place. Tim sat down with host Brent Sanders to talk about this case, and the dark consequences of policing.  For more of Tim's story, his book The Invisible Obvious is out now.  If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Elisabeth Membrey Case | Tim Peck

White crosses on unmarked graves, rusted metal bunk beds and ivy-lined concrete halls - that's all that's left of the Dozier School For Boys.  From 1900 to 2011, It was one of the largest juvenile reform institutions in the US. It operated under the guise of 'reforming' wayward boys, but when victim-survivors and families came forth with allegations of horrific abuse and suspicious deaths, its reputation turned sour.  How many children were buried there? In this episode, forensic anthropologist Erin Kimmerle walks host Kathryn Fox through her excavation of the site and what she found lying beneath the grassy pastures.  If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Men's Referral Service (National counselling, information and referral service for men looking to change their behaviour) 1300 766 491 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 MensLine (help, support, referrals &amp; counselling services for men) 1300 78 99 78 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Dozier School for Boys

In the late 90s - NSW was rocked by the disappearance of Kerry Whelan.  She was last seen on May 6th, after being dropped off at the Park Royal Hotel in Parramatta. When she didn’t return home, her husband Bernie quickly notified police.  A search uncovered nothing, and police were stumped. It wasn’t until a day later did they have a lead. A ransom note had appeared. Paul Grech, who was a junior detective, arrested the person responsible, and can recall the minute detail that helped solve the case. Paul sits down with Brent Sanders to discuss the case and his career.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Bruce Burrell | Paul Grech

How do young people become radicalised? Is it nature or nurture? Or something far more complex? Dr John Kasinathan is a forensic psychiatrist who specializes in the treatment of children and adolescents.  In this episode, hear about the science of the developing brain, what drives crime in young people, the realities of being an incarcerated child in Australia, and one of the most shocking acts imaginable - a child killing their entire family.  If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 Kids Helpline (Phone and online counselling service for young people aged 5 - 25) 1800 Respect (National sexual assault, family and domestic violence counselling line) 1800 737 732 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How children are radicalised | A/Prof John Kasinathan

A dig was completed, but some are saying they didn't dig far enough. On the 26th of January 1966, three young siblings known as the Beaumont children, caught the bus to Glenelg Beach in Adelaide. They told their mother they'd be back by noon - but the children never returned. 22 years later, detective Bill Hayes took on the case, and to this day, he's still trying to solve the case of the missing Beaumont children. Brent Sanders sat down with Bill to understand his process and what new revelations are bringing him back to the case.  This episode contains references to violence against children and child sexual abuse. If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Potential Burial Site of the Beaumont Children | Bill Hayes

On the 6th May, 2006, a 45-year-old woman disappeared from California’s San Pablo. Two years later, her skull was discovered 6 kilometers away. Forensic anthropologist Ryburn Dobbs uncovered evidence that could have cracked the case wide open. But the police ignored him. Why? In this episode, Ryburn tells host Kathryn Fox about the frustration of dealing with authorities who prioritise certain victims over others, even when presented with compelling forensic evidence. If you or someone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The San Pablo Skull

Fire-bombings across suburban Melbourne have been terrorising citizens for the last 18 months. But why are they happening? And what can police do to counter act them? Former AFP Officer Rohan Pike joins host Brent Sanders to explain how high taxes and opportunistic criminals are leading to catastrophic levels of illegal tobacco being siphoned through Melbourne streets.  As well, a bank note production company - half-owned by the Australian Reserve Bank - allegedly bribed foreign officials in exchange for the right to produce their nation’s currency. Hear how Rohan was brought in, and how he never would’ve expected the vast, global scale of the investigation.  Bribes worth millions, a string of dramatic Melbourne raids, and tension between Rohan, the AFP and the ever powerful Australian Reserve Bank….See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Melbourne Tobacco Wars

Have you ever been scammed? Chances are you or someone you know has. From fraudulent texts to crypto cons, this type of crime has permeated every aspect of our lives. But who’s pulling the strings, and where does the money go? In this episode, forensic financial investigator and former ASIC adviser, Niall Coburn, lifts the lid on financial crime. Learn how scammers manipulate you, and the shocking truths about the organised crime groups behind it all.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How scams work

How does an FBI agent convince a Russian spy to defect? What are the tactics that work, and what are the ones that could get you killed? For decades, the world was paralysed by The Cold War. But, after the cooling of nuclear operations in the US and Russia, governments seemed ready to ease tensions and find a truce.   Beneath the surface though, in the high stakes world of spies and espionage, things were far more dangerous. In the 1990s, Former FBI agent LaRae Quy was deep in the world of covert operations, taking on multiple identities and trying to convince Russian spies to defect, and join the FBI. Larae joins host Brent Sanders to explain her career in the FBI and dissect what it takes to work undercover. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Infiltrating the Russian Secret Service

Imagine being locked in a police interrogation room for 48 hours straight - you haven't eaten, barely slept, your anxiety levels are at an all-time high, and you’re being intensely questioned about a crime that you haven’t committed. You’re innocent, so the truth will come out, right?  In Australia, it’s estimated that up to a third of wrongful convictions involve a false confession. In the US, of the 258 wrongful convictions overturned by the Innocence Project, 25% involved a false confession.  In this episode, Dr Hayley Cullen reveals the psychology behind what leads to false confessions, and how false memories can be created in the minds of people under interrogation. If the episode affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: False confessions

On New Years Eve, 1998, in the small town of Wee Waa, a 91 year old woman was horrifically attacked. Incredibly, she survived, and quickly notified police of the attack. But, after months of case work without any leads, the case went cold… Two years later, then detective Robin Napper was asked to investigate.  He arrived in the town of just 1,900 people with a controversial, new age tactic to catch the offender. But, to use it, he needed internal policing politics to fall his way, and…the undying support of the town… Host Brent Sanders sits down with Robin Napper to discuss this case, and to hear about how his career evolved through the years.  This episode contains references to men's violence against women. Help is always available on 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732). If it's an emergency and you're in Australia, dial 000. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: How the town of Wee Waa solved a cold case

Businessman Paul Nguyen left Sydney’s Hilton Hotel in May 2014 and was never seen alive again. A police investigation uncovered secrets that exposed Mr Nguyen’s murky underworld connections, leading authorities to a makeshift grave around an hour’s drive, south of Sydney. The excavation and identification of Mr Nguyen’s remains was forensic anthropologist, Dr Hayley Green’s, first case. In this episode, hear about the complexities of collecting, analysing and documenting human bones in a murder investigation. If you or anyone you know needs help:  Lifeline (Crisis support and suicide prevention) 13 11 14 Full Stop Australia (National violence and abuse trauma counselling and recovery Service) 1800 385 578 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Sydney's meth house machete murder

On the 26th of June, 2006, police were notified that a young girl had gone missing in Perth. Moments later, her body was found, and an expansive crime scene was established.  With an unknown, and clearly dangerous offender on the run, police were working against the clock to preserve crucial evidence, and find who was responsible.  Then detective Paul Litherland was too close to the victim’s family to investigate, so was forced to watch on as police began their search for the offender.  Brent Sanders sits down with Paul to hear this story, and understand how Paul went from General Duties Cop to WA's Australian of the Year. For more on Paul, visit this link.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Dante Arthurs Case

Bikies live in a world where loyalty is fierce and silence is golden. So, when a member of the Gypsy Jokers was killed in outback Western Australia, a deadly game of cat and mouse began. The Gypsy Jokers were convinced the culprit was Don Hancock, a former Police Chief with a colourful past. And, as the investigation heated up, the stakes became deadly. In this episode, Hadyn Green takes us inside the forensic investigation that followed - a tale of bombings, one of WAs most notorious bikie wars, and what it’s like to come face to face with a ruthless group bent on revenge. If this content affected you, the number for LifeLine is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Don Hancock & The Gypsy Joker Bikies

After coercing farmers to plant marijuana crops in their fields, organised crime figures laid the seed for a dominant and violent drug empire across the Victorian borders. But, when police raided the farms, it was the growers who faced the consequences, as mob members threatened them and their families to stay quiet. Former Victoria Police detective Ray Shuey was at the pointy end of that investigation, and sits down with host Brent Sanders to explain how he helped organise the 50kg drug buy that busted the crooks, and the complexities of protecting the growers whilst pursuing the mafia.  If the episode affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Mildura Mafia

The body of 27-year-old mother of two, Samantha Bodsworth, was found in Noosa, surrounded by wattle trees. The killer thinks it’s the perfect crime, but what they underestimated was the power of the tiny, silent witnesses clinging to almost everything they touched – pollen. In this episode, Dr Lynne Milne, the scientist at the forefront of forensic palynology, reveals how, for the first time in an Australian criminal case, pollen helped unmask a murderer. This episode references men's violence against women. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services. The number for Life Line is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Wattle Flower Murder

For decades he was an adored media personality. But, after an iTV documentary exposed him as a sex offender, Jimmy Savile's story turned sinister, and questions were soon asked about the people who enabled his behaviour despite rumours and innuendo. For many of the children and young people Jimmy Savile offended against, they were finally heard - but, as former Detective Mark Williams-Thomas explains, justice will never be served against the now dead Savile, and the impact of his behaviour will never leave the victim survivors he assaulted.  Hear the story of how Mark constructed and investigated the documentary that helped exposed Saville, and hear host Brent Sanders unpack Mark's career and the incredible story of Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy. This episode contains references to child sexual abuse, if this content affects you the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Exposing Jimmy Savile, with Mark Williams-Thomas

Every word leaves a trace. A disgruntled employee's late-night Facebook rant, cryptic messages, riddled with emojis, arranging a drug deal, a threatening letter from a scorned ex. These are more than words to forensic linguist, Professor Georgina Heydon. They’re crucial clues that can act like a phonetic fingerprint, revealing the identity of the culprit - because sometimes the key to solving a crime isn’t what’s said, but how it’s said. In this episode, hosted by Kathryn Fox, Georgina explains how the scientific study of language can help solve crimes and expose the truth. This episode references men's violence against women. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services. The number for Life Line is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How language exposes criminals

As a door was bashed in, and a very ordinary seeming man was put in cuffs, the heinous crimes of the Claremont Serial Killer were finally brought to light. Todd Bowler, who spoke exclusively with Crime Insiders, is a former WA Tactical Group member has been on the other side of these investigations for several years, and during his career, was a lead member in several high profile cases.  He sat down with host Brent Sanders to talk through his career and to explain how he was part of the dramatic investigation that caught the Claremont Serial Killer.  To hear more from Todd, visit this link. This content contains references to sexual violence against women and violence against children. If this affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14.  If you or someone you know are in danger, help is always available at 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Raiding the house of The Claremont Killer, with Todd Bowler

For 20 years, Henry Keogh was imprisoned for a crime he didn't commit. What was a tragic accident turned into a full-blown murder trial, fueled by dubious evidence from now-discredited forensic pathologist, Dr. Colin Manock. In this episode, host Kathryn Fox talks with Forensic Photographer, Professor Gale Spring, one of the key experts who helped overturn Keogh's conviction in 2014. Hear about the intricate complexities of interpreting images and video, the misplaced trust juries often have in CCTV footage, and the human propensity to perceive patterns where none exist. This episode contains references to the abuse of children. If it affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The wrongful conviction of Henry Keogh

After finding a fragment of a skull several metres within a toilet plumbing system, police knew they were dealing with something sinister.  Mike Bush is a former commissioner of the New Zealand Police Force and has had a decorated career. However, his time as a Detective and a lead investigator saw him take on some gruesome and confronting cases - a far stretch from the press conferences and media appearance as commissioner.  He sat down with host Brent Sanders to explain some of these cases and to walk us through the way police investigated and finalised some of New Zealand's most high profile cases.  This episode contains references to violence against children. If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Auckland Plumbing Murder

A blood-stained cloth was the only evidence police had to work with when Marlene Maria Smith didn't turn up to work in August, 2000. This small clue would soon become part of the huge web of forensic evidence, ultimately leading to the conviction of a killer. Peter Baines OAM spent over two decades as a specialist forensic crime scene investigator with the NSW Police. In this episode with host Kathryn Fox, hear how a real CSI handles a crime scene, from start to finish.  This episode contains graphic descriptions of men's violence against women. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The small clues that exposed a killer

A man described as "pure evil", understand how police investigated his heinous crimes, caught him in and the process of holding him in prison whilst seeking a confession. Decorated former Victorian Police Detective Adrian Paterson joins host Brent Sanders to unpack his career, and go deep into how he helped catch some of Australia's most high-profile criminals. If this content affects you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Derek Ernest Percy

Drowning is the third-highest cause of death around the world, yet underwater recovery and aquatic forensic investigation remain heavily underresourced and underresearched.  Forensic investigator and scientific diver, Sarah Mormino, is on a mission to change this.  In this episode, host Kathryn Fox and Sarah unravel the fascinating and often perilous process of collecting and preserving evidence underwater. Discover why turtles can be unexpected adversaries for investigators and hear about the case that ignited Sarah's passion for aquatic crime scenes. If this content affected you, the number LifeLine is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The 'accidental' drowning that was actually a homicide

A tragedy that rocked Melbourne in the late 80s, and one that left the nation questioning its own attitude towards guns and violence.  Former Commissioner of Victoria Police Kel Glare was just a few months away from getting the top job when an armed gunman killed seven and injured 19 people in Melbourne's inner North. It's a case that stood out to Kel for its violence and senselessness, and one that shook him him despite him being as experienced as he was.  Hear about that case, and others as Kel sat down with host Brent Sanders in this episode of Crime Insiders: Detectives.  This content contains references to mens violence against women and child sexual abuse. Help is always available, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Hoddle Street Massacre

Heartbreaking was the only word that could be used to describe the death of a 10-month-old baby in Perth. What was less clear cut is the question that was posed to the judge - was the baby boy’s death an accident, or was he murdered by his father? Judith Fordham has been lauded as one of Western Australia’s most high-profile criminal lawyers, but her dual expertise in law and forensics sets her apart from her colleagues. In this episode with host Kathryn Fox, hear about one of the most divisive areas in both forensic science and the law - "shaken baby syndrome".  This episode references child abuse and infant loss. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services. For support relating to infant loss, contact Red Nose Grief and Loss on 1300 308 307 or visit rednosegriefandloss.org.au. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The flawed 'science' putting parents behind bars

What happens when back up is three hours away, and you're faced with a violent and desperate situation?  Mark Tregellas is one of Victoria's most experienced regional police officers. He's spent decades tackling violent and intense criminal situations, ones that are unique to that of Australia's wild and often unpredictable regional areas.  Join host Brent Sanders as Mark walks him through two cases that stand out to him from his time in the force.  This content contains references to men's violence against women. Help is always available, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Mallacoota Stand Off

Semen is the crack cocaine of the fly world, and while maggots love a corpse, flies feast on live human flesh and fluids. So, could a fly frame you for murder? And how do police differentiate fly 'artifacts' from human biological material at a crime scene? These are all things forensic biologist, Dr Annalisa Durdle has studied. Join host Kathryn Fox as Annalisa redefines what it means to be a 'fly on the wall'.  If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Semen, drunk flies, and crime scenes

The AFP and customs intercept hundreds of tonnes of narcotics every year. But, the techniques of criminals and smugglers are becoming more complex, and unfortunately, more effective.  Nigel Phair is a former Australian Federal Police Officer who took on a range of high profile drug importation cases. This saw him intercepting large quantities of drugs, investigating its origin and surveilling its eventual destination in Australia.  Understand this work and hear Nigel walk host Brent Sanders through how the police undertake these investigations and how things have changed over the years.  If this content affected you, the number for LifeLine is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: How Drugs Are Smuggled into Australia

It took 37 years, a failed murder trial, and an Australian mathematician to finally prosecute one of Scotland's most infamous serial killers.  Professor David Balding is a pioneer in the field of mathematical computational genetics. Join host Kathryn Fox and hear how using things like probability, David can calculate the likelihood of DNA belonging to offenders, victims and crime scenes.  If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The World's End Murders

The gangs of New Zealand are like nothing else, and as an undercover cop, you're forced to prove yourself, demonstrate you're a criminal and show you're capable of committing violent and often dangerous crimes.  That was the life of undercover operative Mark Van Lee Warden, who spent years as a covert officer deep inside the underworld of the New Zealand ganglands. He was required to tackle some of the country's most powerful underworld figures, including the infamous convicted murderer Ricki Goodin. Mark sat down with host Brent Sanders to explain how he became an undercover cop, and the impact it had on him in his professional and personal life.  To hear more about Mark's time in the force, his book is available here.  Mark's work post policing at Warden Consulting.  This episode features references to mens violence against women, if this content affects you, help is available via LifeLine on 13 11 14, or, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: How Undercover Cops Infiltrate Gangs

Victims of stalking are systematically let down. So, how do the police handle reports of stalking? And what does the research tell us about effective intervention? 24-year-old Alice Ruggles was stalked and murdered by her ex-boyfriend. Alice did all the recommended things, including reporting his dangerous behaviour to the police multiple times. Unfortunately, Alice's story is not a one-off. It's a typical story illustrating the link between coercive control and stalking.  Join host Kathryn Fox for part 2 of her discussion with forensic psychologist, Professor Troy McEwan from Swinburne University.  This episode is part 2 of 2. To learn more about Alice's story, and the work of the Alice Ruggles trust, head here. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The story of Alice Ruggles

The consequences of online abuse can be fatal, and in the early 2000s, even experts were naive to the dangers of the online world for us, and our kids. Yasmin London is a former NSW Police Officer who took on a diverse set of roles in her decade in the force. She tackled the everyday stress of general duties, the diverse crimes of Rosebay in Sydney and the complex and unknown world of cyberbullying in the early days of the internet.  Yasmin joined host Brent Sanders to talk through her career, and to unpack how her time in the force impacted her motivation for the work she does now.  This episode contains references to suicide and mens violence against women, if it affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Cyberbullying

Stalking is disturbingly common, yet often misunderstood by wider society.  Professor Troy McEwan from the Swinburne University of Technology is a forensic psychologist specialising in understanding, assessing, and treating stalking behaviour. In this episode with Kathryn Fox, hear about the 5 different types of stalkers, and gain insights into their problematic behaviours.  This episode is part 1 of 2.  If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The psychology of stalking

Once an admired figure in NSW police, the now disgraced Roger Rogerson left a trail of corruption and death as he moved his way through the force.  Former NSW Detective Deborah Locke was at the centre of Rogerson's grip on the police, and faced horrific consequences for standing up to him and his corruption. Deb sat down with host Brent Sanders, and unpacked the details of her life in the force and how she overcame both Rogerson and the police itself.  This episode features references to suicide, miscarriages and infant loss. If this content affected you, help is always available via Lifeline on 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Roger Rogerson

Even when removed or burnt, forensic experts can use tattoos to identify offenders and victims of crimes. This is one of many techniques forensic photographers like Karen Byrne use to document everything from crime scenes to autopsies.  Hear about the surprising ways evidence can be captured, the emotional weight of the job, and how forensic photography plays a crucial role in securing justice. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The stories tattoos tell in criminal investigations

One of the country's most effective crime fighting arms, Queensland Police have some of the world's most dedicated officers. Their experience in fighting online child sexual abuse is second to none, and James Maskey was part of that team.  Join host Brent Sanders as he unpacks James' career. From General Duties, to the CPOL team, hear about the cases that defined James and eventually lead to his decision to leave the force.  To learn more about James' work at Fortem visit the link below:  https://fortemaustralia.org.au/ If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Queensland's Child Protection Unit

They say pigs will eat anything. But can they diminish a whole human body? Surprisingly, science didn't have an answer to this question until recently. Forensic anthropologist, Dr Penny McCardle, has helped police investigate some of the most high-profile crimes in recent history, including the disappearance of William Tyrell and the 1986 murder of Roxlyn Bowie.  In this discussion with Kathryn Fox, hear about the investigation into the murder of Roxlyn, which included the biggest excavation in NSW Police history, and what would become the world's first study into what happens if a human body is fed to pigs. If you or someone you know is experiencing, or at risk of experiencing, domestic, family or sexual violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au for online chat and video call services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Can pigs really make a body disappear?

Matt Newlands is a former NSW Police Officer who undertook general duties for much of his career. His career was well regarded, but was also peppered with difficulties and would end as part of a slippery slope of incidents in Matt's personal life.  We'll understand what lead to that situation with host Brent Sanders, as he unpacks stories and cases from Matt's career and the one mistake which ended it.   If this content affected you, the number LifeLine is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: General Duties

Technology has become a weapon for perpetrators of abuse. And, in our digitally intertwined lives, cyber forensics has become an essential step in almost all aspects of criminal investigation, particularly cases involving child exploitation and family violence.  Cyber forensic expert, Rose MacDonald, has made it her life's mission to combat this insidious form of abuse. Her work ensures the complex process of evidence preservation of spyware-infested devices and encrypted apps brings these offenders to justice.  To hear more of Rose, you can find her on The Briefing.  This episode contains references to intimate partner violence, coercive control, and child abuse, for support, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Protecting victims of technology-facilitated abuse, Rose MacDonald

A person of interest driving over five days and distributing drugs across the country was finally brought down after a complex sting.  Noel, who's last name has been redacted for operational reasons is one of Victoria's most seasoned detectives, and has seen the state thrashed through a period of uncertainty by Melbourne's high-profile criminal underworld.  He joins Brent Sanders, and talks us through his time in the force and what he's working on post policing.  This episode contains references to child abuse, if this content affected you the number for LifeLine is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Adelaide Drug Mule

Heard of a smoking gun? What about a smoking shovel?  Tracking down killers has never been part of the traditional job profile for people who study soils, but when the bodies of two women believed to be murdered could not be located, police gave pedologist, Professor Rob Fitzpatrick a call. In this episode with Kathryn Fox, Rob reveals how soil has been the key to cracking complex criminal investigations, from unsolved homicides to illegal dinosaur nest smuggling and counter-terrorism operations.  This episode contains descriptions of violence against women and children, for support, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Solving crime with dirt

Tony Hines' body was found strewn against a cliff face in Maroubra. How did police begin their investigation, and what contributed to the eventual outcome of the case? Former NSW Police Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Owens is one of the states' most respected officers, and has seen some of NSW's most intense criminal operations unfold.  Join host Brent Sanders as he unpacks Dave's illustrious career, and gains an understanding of how Dave took on the infamous Bra Boys.  If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Bra Boys & The Death of Tony Hines

Two young girls shot dead in a town of less than 1000 people. With local law enforcement stumped, they turned to the renowned FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit for answers. Julia Cowley is a retired FBI criminal profiler with a twist - she's a forensic scientist too. In this episode with Kathryn Fox, hear about Julia's very first assignment with the BAU, where her unique dual skillset provided insight into the motivations and behavioral traits of an offender who could commit such a crime - ultimately resulting in the conviction of the man responsible for 'The Weleetka Murders'. This episode contains references to violence against women and children, for support, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How an FBI Profiler's forensic expertise solved a double homicide

When Detective Brett Lee was told one of his colleagues was a potential sex offender, he took on not only the investigation, but the pressure of prosecuting one of his own.  Brett was a career detective, and was involved in some of QPol's most heinous investigations. Working in child protection has its difficulties, but for Brett, he found the challenges to be rewarding. Understand his work and what it took to undertake it with host Brent Sanders, as he dives into Brett as an officer and as an educator post policing.  If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14.  If you’re concerned about the thoughts and behaviour of yourself or another adult or child -there is support available. Stop it Now is an anonymous Australian helpline that aims to support adults who have sexual thoughts about children, to prevent offending. The helpline is for parents, professionals, family and community members who come across child sexual abuse. If you’re worried about an adults or child’s behaviour, online or offline, you can call the anonymous helpline on 1800 01 1800 or use a live chat or secure messaging service. To find out more, head to stopitnow.org.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Investigating a Queensland Police Officer

After being arrested for drink driving, how did a hair sample and forensic expertise help save Silverchair lead singer Daniel Johns from a prison sentence? Dr Michael Robertson has over 20 years of forensic expertise. One of his most common cases is drink driving, and even though it seems black and white - you're either over the limit or you're not, it's actually far more nuanced and complex. Join host Kathryn Fox as she unpacks Michael's work and the case involving Daniel Johns.  If this content affected you, the number for Lifeline is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How toxicology helped Daniel Johns avoid prison

DETECTIVES: The Sheffield Scythe Murders

Several shots fired, a body in a driveway, and an abandoned meat cleaver. How does forensics piece together the scene and catch the killer?  Angus Newton is one of Oceania's most respected ballistic experts. His career has seen him take on hundreds of intense and complex cases - spanning from discrete robberies to violent and devastating killings.  Unpack his work with host Kathryn Fox, as Angus walks her through the strange case of Operation Blue.  If this content affected you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Operation Blue

A wounded gang member, a set of abandoned shotguns in a playground and a witness who refuses to testify. How do police piece together the case to not only make sense of what happened, but gain a conviction?  Luke Taylor is a 14 year veteran of the force. His time in the police saw him take on unique challenges, and meant he was on the frontline of policing for some of NSW's most violent crimes.  Understand his career with host Brent Sanders, and hear about Luke's post policing endeavours as he takes his law enforcement experience into schools.  For more information about Luke's work now, visit crimestory.com.au/ This episode contains references to violence against women, for support, dial 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Sydney Playground Shotguns

After her convictions were quashed, many touted forensics as the saviour for Kathleen Folbigg. But, how did they fail her in the first place, and what led to one of Australia's greatest ever miscarriages of justice?  Host Kathryn Fox is joined by Professor Stephen Cordner, who is one of Australia's most respected forensic experts. In 2021, Stephen was one of 90 eminent scientists who signed a groundbreaking petition calling for the immediate pardon and release of Kathleen Folbigg. Understand the forensics behind Kathleen's final and successful bid for freedom, and unpack why her case was such a gross miscarriage of justice in the first place.  If this content raised issues for you, call Red Nose Grief and Loss on 1300 308 807.  Red Nose provides specialised bereavement support free of charge to any person affected by the sudden and unexpected death of a baby or child during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Kathleen Folbigg

A man brandishing two shotguns brought one of Adelaide's busiest streets to a standstill, with former Chief Superintendent Mick Symons caught in the crossfire. in this episode, understand Mick Symons' illustrious policing career, from his time in the high-stakes Armed Offenders Apprehension Group to leading gripping homicide investigations, including the tragic case of Samantha O'Reilly. In this discussion with Brent Sanders, Mick delves into the evolution of policing techniques and technology, contrasting the gritty realities of the 70s and 80s with modern-day investigative methods. Explore the intricate relationship between law enforcement and the media, and learn how police leverage this dynamic to their advantage. If you found this content confronting, dial lifeline on 13 11 14. As well, help is always available by calling 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Rundle Street Siege

How do forensic investigators decipher the scene of a violent car crash? Why is the filament in a brake light so important? And what evidence can lead investigators down the wrong path? Dr Raphael Grzebieta is an expert in car crash analysis, and has worked for decades in the field. His goal is to bring road safety to the fore of transport conversations, and refuses to acknowledge car crashes as accidents, claiming there is always a reason.  Join host Kathryn Fox as she unpacks the work of Raphael, and uncovers just how he and other investigators come to their forensic conclusions.  If this content raised issues for you, the number for Life Line is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Dubbo Truck Crash

Countless victims over a 20 year period, only uncovered thanks to the bravery of the victim-survivors who came forward and told their story. In the mid 1990s, Detective Troy Grant received a report from two men who had been sexually abused by Paedophile Priest Vincent Ryan. What followed was an investigation that uncovered decades of horrific and ongoing abuse within the Catholic Church.  Join Brent Sanders as he unpacks this investigation with Former Police Minister Troy Grant, as he walks us through the process of handling an investigation like this and what it means to the victim survivors.  If you found this content confronting, dial lifeline on 13 11 14.  As well, help is always available by calling 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Exposing Decades of Abuse within the Catholic Church

A long standing theory, but one ballistics supports, at least in the mind of some of those who worked the case, is that Ivan Milat didn't act alone and that there were multiple shooters at several of his crime scenes.  Host Kathryn Fox sits down with one of Australia's most respected forensic experts, Gerard Dutton to understand why some think there was more than one shooter, and how specific ballistic evidence supports this.  This episode contains references to violence, if it affects you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: Did Ivan Milat act alone?

Known for its violent, unpredictable atmosphere, and for being a home to Sydney's organised crime kingpins. The Cross is an intense place to be for anyone, especially a cop.  Brett Stevens is a former NSW Police Officer who spent years in the heart of Sydney's inner city, and took on cases that still affect him now, almost 20 years later. Join host Brent Sanders as he unpacks Brett's life in the force, and seeks to understand how things are different now that he's left the force.  This episode contains references to suicide, violence against women and sexual assault. For support, contact 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732, or dial Lifeline on 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Sydney's Kings Cross

Forensic data and pattern recognition tell us a lot, but how does it help in the fight against domestic violence? And how are some data points more important than others?  Dr Lyndal Bugeja is the research lead of the Violence Investigation Research and Training Unit at Monash University, and is an expert in interpreting forensic data sets to gain an understanding as to how people are dying/being killed and what can be done to stop it.  Lyndal sits down with host Kathryn Fox to explain how a tragic case in the late 90s proved one of her hypothesis false, but also changed the way she went about research and data recognition.  This episode contains references to violence against women and children. If you or someone you know needs help, dial 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732). If you're in Australia, and you're in immediate danger, dial 000.  If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Mathematics of Homicide

A hefty bribe landed in the hands of a supposedly crooked cop, courtesy of a heroin kingpin's brother. Little did the briber know, this cop was Michael Kennedy, a former detective with an unwavering moral compass. Michael spent over two decades with the NSW Police, working in the Major Crime Squad, Bureau of Crime Intelligence, and the NSW State Crime Commission. In this episode with Brent Sanders, Michael reflects on his unusual path to policing, which meant he could form and maintain relationships with career criminals, uncovering dark secrets involving international drug trading and political corruption.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The attempted bribery of Judge Shillington

When a merciless serial killer terrorised the women of Manchester with a spate of brutal attacks, police and forensics were left stumped. Now, almost 50 years later, forensics has learned, and built more advanced technologies that could've helped catch the killer sooner, and saved more lives.  To understand how forensics has learned from this case, and to unpack the current strategies being employed to catch criminals and save lives, host Kathryn Fox sits down with expert Dr Marie Morelato.  This episode contains references to sexual violence against women and children. If you or someone you know needs help, dial 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732). If you're in Australia, and you're in immediate danger, dial 000.  If you're in the UK, and need assistance, resources are available at the link below:  https://www.gov.uk/guidance/domestic-abuse-how-to-get-help#get-help-and-support If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Yorkshire Ripper

Two cousins, both wives to the same man, found dead under mysterious circumstances. Was this the world's unluckiest husband, or a serial wife killer? Former detective Peter Seymour has dedicated over two decades of his life to the people of Western Sydney, serving in the NSW Police as both a detective and police prosecutor.  In this episode, Brent Sanders talks to Peter about the shockingly bizarre investigation of Thomas Keir, and the life-altering case that pushed Peter to his limits, prompting him to make a critical decision that changed the course of his career. This episode contains descriptions of domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking. Contact 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732 for more information and confidential support. There are also references to pregnancy loss. Contact Red Nose Grief and Loss on 1300 308 307 for support for miscarriage, stillbirth, and newborn death. If you or someone you know is in crisis, contact Lifeline on 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Unmasking Australia's 'unluckiest' husband

One of Australia's greatest ever miscarriages of justice. For decades, The Crown and much of the Australian public called for Lindy Chamberlain to be gaoled. Then, when she was, it was only until a chance discovery of new evidence was she released.  Uncover the failings of forensics in one of Australia's most infamous criminal matters with expert Mackenzie de la Hunty. Hear as she walks host Kathryn Fox through the case, and gives intricate detail into what was involved in the forensics of the case and how things would be different today.  This content contains graphic descriptions of violence against children, please listen with care.  If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Persecution of Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton

Working in child protection takes you to the darkest corners of humanity. Former detective Jack Roney, devoted over a decade to Queensland Police's Child Protection Unit, where he not only tackled some of the most heinous offences in the Crimes Act, but also took on the role of guardian for children who had witnessed unimaginable horrors, including homicide. In this discussion with Brent Sanders, Jack shares the harrowing story of two parents who were murdered in front of their seven children. Hear about the complexities of working in this field, the emotional toll it takes on an officer, and the nuanced challenges of dealing with minors in the aftermath of such traumatic events. This episode has descriptions of child sexual abuse and SIDS. For further information and support for issues regarding sexual assault, family, and domestic violence, contact 1800 RESPECT. For further information and support regarding SIDS or the loss of a child, contact the Red Nose Foundation. If you or someone you know is in crisis, call Lifeline on 13 11 14. If it's an emergency, dial 000.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Child Protection Unit

CCTV has helped capture criminals all across the world, but, catching a killer on camera isn't as clear cut as you might think. In fact, what may seem like the smoking gun in a case, forensic photography is actually a complex and often misunderstood field.  Glenn Porter is an expert in forensic photography, and has spent decades taking pictures of crime scenes, presenting evidence and explaining how the science of video and photography works in a forensic investigation.  Join host Kathryn Fox as she unpacks a brutal double murder, and understands how CCTV footage lead to a conviction, but not as immediately as you might suspect.  If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: The Cattai Double Murder

100 tactical operators, and lasting for nearly 40 hours. It's one of Australia's most intense, and high profile siege operations.  Brett Pennell is a former NSW Police Officer who spent almost 20 years in the force. As part of the Tactical Operations Unit, Brett was involved in high level raids, drug import intercepts and complex, high profile arrests.  One of those jobs, the Tumut Siege, saw him make a split second decision, that still impacts him to this day. Understand this job and more with host Brent Sanders, as Brett takes us through, in intricate detail, the operationally concepts of the siege.  If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14.  If you're a veteran and you found this content affected you, 24-hour free counselling and support for you and your family is available at Open Arms – Veterans &amp; Families Counselling on 1800 011 046. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: The Tumut Siege

An innocent woman was jailed for 16 years for a murder she did not commit. It wasn't until The Innocence Project became involved that Kirstin Blaise Lobato was finally able to walk free.  Professor Gail Anderson is Canada’s first-ever full-time forensic entomologist and has been working in the field for nearly 35 years. Her work is dedicated to the study of insects, and what they can reveal about miscarriages of justice.  In this discussion with host Kathryn Fox, Gail details her involvement in exonerating Blaise Lobato, as well as Steven Truscott, who at age 14 was wrongfully convicted, and sentenced to death for the murder of his classmate.  This episode contains references to sexual violence against women and children. If you or someone you know needs help, dial 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732). If you're in Australia, and you're in immediate danger, dial 000.  If this content affected you, the number for lifeline is 13 11 14.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FORENSICS: How the Innocence Project freed Blaise Lobato

The world's most notorious criminals, unknowingly spilling their secrets on a 'secure' app run by... the cops. That's exactly what happened in Operation Ironside, a covert operation run by the FBI in collaboration with the AFP. Chris Craner is one of Australia’s most experienced tactical operators. His 30-plus-year career had him at the forefront of some of the country’s most intense and high-stakes investigations, including Ironside and the Lindt Cafe Seige.  In this episode hosted by Brent Sanders, Chris shares never-before-heard details about the Lindt Cafe Seige, and pulls back the curtain on Ironside. Hear how authorities infiltrated the underbelly of organised crime syndicates, seizing millions in dirty cash, blocking large importations of drugs and intercepting homicide plots. If this content affected you, the number for Lifeline is 13 11 14. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DETECTIVES: Operation Ironside

Do you know what a forensic sexual assault examination actually entails? What are the processes and how do they affect the outcome of a case? In this episode, former GP Kathryn Fox speaks to forensic physician Dr Maaike Moller to demystify and debunk the process of reporting a sexual assault. Maaike will walk us through how and when to report an assault, how evidence and DNA is collected from a survivor, and the autonomy of the survivor throughout the whole process. Maaike also shares her expertise on drug-facilitated assault and stealthing.  Please note, this podcast is not a replacement for professional advice. If you believe you've been assaulted or have had your drink spiked, please contact your local police or seek medical advice from a health professional or local hospital.  This episode discusses sexual assault. Information and support for anyone affected by rape or sexual abuse issues is available in Australia at 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732). If you're in Australia and need immediate help, dial 000. If you're outside of Australia, visit this link for a list of support services.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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