Bob, Zaq and Janet get together for a New Year's Eve celebration. The gang just hangs out, has some fun, talk about the holidays, and Bob shares what's going on with the search for a case for Season 17.

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S16 Ep3: Follow-Up S16: E3

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Bob's interview with Ryan Wolf, the ethics of podcasting and the rewards of it, and answer listener questions. 

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S16 Ep2: Follow-Up S16: E2

Bob is joined by the Host and Creator of the "Guilt" podcast, Ryan Wolf. Ryan has been doing incredible work in New Zealand. He's been investigating a series of cases, and working directly with law enforcement to make real progress in solving these mysteries.

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S16 Ep2: Ryan Wolf - Guilt

Bob, Zaq, and Janet are joined by Bob Motta of The Defense Diaries podcast to help answer lots of listener questions about the Delphi case, and the conviction of Richard Allen.

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S16 Ep1: Follow-Up S16: E1

Bob invites his good friend Bob Motta of The Defense Diaries podcast onto the show to help us make sense of Richard Allen's trial and conviction. Allen was convicted for the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams in Delphi, Indiana. After the trial many people question whether Allen is truly guilty. In this special "Bobcast" the Bob's get into the weeds, and talk about the details from the trial.

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S16 Ep1: Delphi Trial Explained

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Bob's interview with Molly Ribble, address some of the more convoluted parts of the case, and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep22: Follow-Up S15: E22

Bob is joined by listener Molly Ribble. Molly is on the fence this season. She's not convinced that Jodi is innocent or that they're guilty. She graciously offered to come on the show and have a conversation with Bob, so that they can discuss some of the issues that have left some people less than convinced of Jodi's innocence.

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S15 Ep22: A Different Perspective

Bob and Zaq talk about Bob's closing argument in depth and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep21: Follow-Up S15: E21

Frustration in the lackluster job done by Jodi's trial attorney, leads Bob to create and deliver his own closing argument. He walks a hypothetical jury through the evidence presented at trial, and makes a strong case for a verdict of Not Guilty.

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S15 Ep21: Not Guilty

Bob and Janet discuss the Defense Closing arguments and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep20: Follow-Up S15: E20

Bob breaks down Defense Attorney Ernie White's closing argument, and Prosecutor Art Cotter's rebuttal. We learn how Jodi's trial came to its conclusion before the jury was sent to deliberate.

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S15 Ep20: The Defense Closing Argument

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the State's closing argument, Jodi's attorney, and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep19: Follow-Up - S15: E19

Bob breaks down Prosecutor Art Cotter's closing argument from Jodi's murder trial.

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S15 Ep19: The State's Closing Argument

Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss Bob's trip to Texas, Dakarai Larriett, and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep18: Follow-Up - S15: E18

Bob is joined by Dakarai Larriett. Dakarai was pulled over, harassed and arrested for breaking no laws in the City of Benton Harbor this spring. After his release, he FOIA'd the body cam footage which revealed some startling actions by the arresting officers.

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S15 Ep18: Dakarai Larriett

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the alibi witnesses, time card, and their credibility and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep17: Follow-Up S15: E17

Is Jodi's alibi corroborated by the people they were with on the night of the murder? Today we find out what Princella, LaShunn, Cornelius, Sharelle and Nadia testified to at trial.

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S15 Ep17: The Alibi Witnesses

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Jodi's testimony and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep16: Follow-Up S15: E16

After McGinnis' damning version of events was shared with the jury, Jodi Hill was left with no other choice than to take the stand themself in their own defense. In this episode, Bob breaks down Jodi's trial testimony.

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S15 Ep16: The Defendant

Bob and Janet go over McGinnis' testimony and his version of Jodi's interview, as well as corruption in the Benton Harbor Police Department and answer listener questions.

 
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S15 Ep15: Follow-Up S15: E15

Bob breaks down Lead Detective, Dan McGinnis' trial testimony. We learn some new details about the crime scene, and discover a few discrepancies from the original police reports. We also hear how McGinnis' testimony boxed Jodi into a corner, leaving them with no other choice but to take the stand in their own defense.

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S15 Ep15: The Lead Detective

Bob and Zaq discuss the pattern of behavior in the Benton Harbor Police Department and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep14: Follow-Up S15: E14

This episode is short and sweet. Bob shares a number of public cases that highlight the Benton Harbor Police Department's pattern of corruption over the span of 1995 - 2003. Research for this episode was completed primarily by listener Caroline Dwyer, with additional research by Ericka Bergenham.

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S15 Ep14: The Pattern of Behavior

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the murder of Marcellus Williams by the state of Missouri, Shadess Wells message from Leon Nucomb, and the whereabouts of DeMario on the night he was murdered and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep13: Follow-Up S15: E13

An entire group of witnesses all coordinate to create a completely false narrative. Is there goal to help the State build a case against Jodi...or is the purpose simply to protect someone else? Bob lays out the data, and poses the question to you. Why?

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S15 Ep13: The Conspiracy

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the other witnesses and the effect they have on Victoria Miles' story and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep12: Follow-Up S15: E12

Bob explores the statements and testimonies of two eye witnesses to DeMorrio Lowes' murder. One key witness was excluded from the trial, because her story disproves the State's entire case.

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S15 Ep12: The Real Story

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the kites, the jailhouse snitch, and Jodi's testimony and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep11: Follow-Up S15: E11

Part of the evidence used by the State to convince the jury that Jodi was guilty was a series of notes (AKA kites) that Jodi sent while they were in jail. We learn about the kites, and the jailhouse snitch that testified at trial. Terrance Hunter testified that Jodi confessed to him.

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S15 Ep11: The Jailhouse Snitch

Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss the physical evidence in the case and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep10: Follow-Up S15: E10

After covering the witness testimony that helped to convict Jodi for the murder of DeMorrio Lowes, this week we move into the physical evidence presented at trial. 

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S15 Ep10: The Physical Evidence

Bob, Zaq, and Janet try to make sense of what actually happened regarding the shooting of Darius Wimberly and answer listener questions. 

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S15 Ep9: Follow-Up S15: E9

Bob sits down for an emotional discussion with the mother, grandmother and brother of Darius Wimberly. Darius was shot and killed by Benton Harbor Police Officers on October 18, 2016. The official story was that officers were at a call regarding someone being held at gunpoint, when Darius started shooting at them from the street. According to his mother, the official story is a lie. She believes that her son was murdered by the Benton Harbor Department of Public Safety.

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S15 Ep9: Karate

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Victoria Miles' identification of Jodi's car and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep8: Follow-Up S15: E8

Jodi Hill was connected to the scene of DeMorrio's murder by a witness who claimed to be able to positively identify Jodi's car, based on the sound. The story is pretty wild, evolves and changes over time, and is once again connected to the Miles family.

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S15 Ep8: The Ear Witness

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Carveail Miles's possible involvement in the murder of Demario Lowes and answer listener questions.

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S15 Ep7: Follow-Up S15: E7

There are two names that are littered throughout the DeMorrio Lowes murder book. Jodi Hill, and Carveail Miles. There were just as many people in the city of Benton Harbor that believed Carveail was responsible for Mario's murder as there were that believed Jodi was responsible. The Miles family is present in nearly every element of the investigation. Bob breaks it all down in this complex . . . and confusing episode.

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S15 Ep7: The Alternate Suspect

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the robbery and Sturgill's misidentification of Jodi.

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S15 Ep6: Follow-Up S15:E6

Bob breaks down a major element of the case against Jodi Hill. At trial the State convinced the jury that Jodi was part of an armed robbery attempt on DeMorrio Lowes, which served as their motive to silence him. The reality of the situation is mind boggling. In this episode Jodi explains what they know about the robbery, and we learn how that information matters when it comes to the fairness of Jodi's trial.

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S15 Ep6: The Robbery

Bob, Zaq and Janet have an in-depth discussion about the forensics and layout of the crime scene of DeMorrio Lowes' murder. They breakdown the layout of the scene, and really get into the weeds regarding the firearm used.

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S15 Ep5: Follow-Up S15: E5

Bob digs into the evidence as we breakdown the various crime scene investigative reports, the autopsy and forensic analysis results. What actually happened to DeMorrio Lowes, and who could have been responsible?

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S15 Ep5: The Scene of the Crime

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss crime scene timing, Sonya Lucas's testimony and affidavit, as well as Bob's recent contact with the Attorney General's Conviction Integrity Unit. 

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S15 Ep4: Follow-Up S15: E4

Bob proves without any shadow of a doubt that DeMorrio Lowes was not murdered at 12:40am, as claimed by McGinnis. We learn how Jodi's alibi was deconstructed at trial, and hear directly from the State's key witness at trial.

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S15 Ep4: The Linchpin

Bob, Zaq, and Janet answer listener questions about Jodi's alibi.

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S15 Ep3: Follow-Up S15: E3

This week we hear directly from Jodi for the first time. Bob breaks down the details of Jodi's alibi, and Jodi themself talks about their transition, life in prison as a non-binary person, and tells us directly what they were doing on the night Demorrio Lowes was murdered.

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S15 Ep3: The Alibi

Bob, Zaq and Janet dig deeper into Demorrio Lowes' victimology, and the events leading up to his murder.

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S15 Ep2: Follow-Up S15: E2

Bob breaks down Demorrio Lowes victimology. We learn about the armed robbery attempt that he escaped days before his murder, his movements and who he was with on the night of, as as well as the details and timing of the attack that tragically took his life. Bob also shares and addresses his correspondences with Benton Harbor Public Safety Director Dan McGinnis.

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S15 Ep2: Mario

Bob, Zaq and Janet have an in-depth discussion about the season 15 premiere episode, and answer several listener questions.

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S15 Ep1: Follow-Up S15: E1

Host Bob Ruff begins his journey into investigating a potential wrongful conviction in the City of Benton Harbor, Michigan. Bob, a High School Broadcast Journalism Teacher, is joined by two of his students as together they promise to tell the stories of a community who feels ignored by their City Leadership, and reveal the truth in the tragic murder of Demorrio Lowes.

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S15 Ep1: Hear Me

I'm reposting this interview from a few years ago with former Benton Harbor Police Officer, Andrew Collins. Andrew was caught planting evidence and stealing on the job, and has been trying to make things right since he got out of prison. This is a good look into the culture in the Benton Harbor Police Department in the early 2000's, around the time of Jodi's arrest.





S15: BONUS:  Interview w/ a Former Benton Harbor Cop

Bob, Janet and Zaq discuss the upcoming Season 15 premier, the interview with Jim Clemente, Baby Reindeer and the Kay Alana Turner newly released body cam footage.

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S14 Ep35: Follow-Up S14: E35

Bob and Jim chat about the changes and the future of Real Crime Profile, and have a fantastic in-depth discussion about the Netflix series "Baby Reindeer." Make sure to check out Jim's other podcast "Best Case Worst Case" and his new Audible Original "Bluebeard".

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S14 Ep35: Jim Clemente

Bob, Zaq and Janet talk about Kerry Max Cook's exoneration, dig deeper into the Marcellus Williams case, and update everyone on the progress that's being made on Season 15.

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S14 Ep34: Follow-Up S14: E34

In 2017 Marcellus Williams avoided being executed for a crime he did not commit by just 4 hours. Bob covered his case at the time, and engaged the Truth &amp; Justice Army in the fight to free this innocent man. Since then, a new Governor has taken charge in Missouri and he has since lifted the former Governor's stay on the execution and dissolved the board of inquiry that had been investigating the case. This week the Missouri Supreme Court set an execution date for Williams, and the Innocence Project has asked for our help to save Marcellus Williams' life.

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S14 Ep34: Marcellus Williams Execution Scheduled

Bob sits down with Lizz Rose to discuss updates and progress in her mother's case.

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S14 Ep33: Lizz Rose

Bob sits down with two of his favorite people in true crime, Katie and Kimberly from the AWARD WINNING "A Date with Dateline" podcast. This is just a fun conversation between friends.

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S14 Ep32: Creators of the Year!

Without many listener questions, Bob, Zaq and Janet chat about the memories brought up by listening to the flashback episode, and talk about the next season of T&amp;J.

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S14 Ep31: Follow-Up S14: E31

In preparation for Season 15 and as part of the on-boarding process for new team member Ericka, Bob is reviewing some of the work that we've done in the past. This episode is a flashback to 2018, and serves as a solid reminder as to why we do the work that we do.

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S14 Ep31: This Is Why We're Here

Bob sits down with the Host of the "Foul Play" podcast to talk about the work he's done to make the world a better place through his podcast. Shane is one of the OG's of the podcast space. Foul Play was launched in 2008, before most people even knew what a podcast was. And he's been making amazing content ever since.

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S14 Ep30: Shane Waters Podcasting w/ Purpose

Bob, Janet and Zaq have a great discussion about ethics. We hear some great podcast recommendations, they chat about how content changes the way we look at the justice system, bullying and threat assessment in schools, and more.

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S14 Ep29: Follow-Up "Ethics in True Crime"

Bob has an incredible discussion with friends of the show, Dr. Shiloh and Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast. The major topic discussed is ethics in true crime content creation, which leads them into a fascinating chat about psychology, threat assessment, resilience, PTSD and more.

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S14 Ep29: Dr. Shiloh & Dr. Scott

Janet is out on assignment accepting her Web award for her amazing podcast "Braving the Elements". Bob and Zaq answer listener questions about Susan's case . . . with an assist from Susan. Bob also explains more about the legal process regarding the WM3 evidence testing.

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S14 Ep28: Follow-Up "Susan Simpson"

Bob and Janet sit down with one of our favorite podcasters in the space. Most know Susan Simpson from the amazing work that she did on the Undisclosed podcast, and all the innocent people that she helped set free on that show. She has now just completed season 2 of her new podcast "Proof" and she's here to share all the details about the incredible work she continues to do.

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S14 Ep28: Susan Simpson Talks "Proof"

Bob, Zaq and Janet answer LOTS of listener questions about anything and everything.

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S14 Ep27: Follow-Up "Ask Us Anything"

In lieu of a week off, based on listener requests Bob streams with Patrons for an AMA session. Questions range from info on cases to Birthday plans to overtipping and more.





S14 Ep27: Bonus:  Ask Me Anything

Bob, Janet and Zaq answer listener questions about Bob's interview with Rabia Chaudry and Colin Miller.  We discuss Adnan's case, the WM3 case, DNA extraction vs. testing, and more.


S14 Ep26: Follow-Up "Undisclosed is Back!"

Bob is joined by two of his favorite people, Rabia Chaudry and Colin Miller. They discuss the coming relaunch of the Undisclosed Podcast, Adnan's case and others. "Legal Siri" weighs in on the WM3 case, and much much more.

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S14 Ep26: Undisclosed Is Back!

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss and answer listener questions about the recent Arkansas Supreme Court Ruling in the West Memphis Three case. Bob Motta joins in the chat to help answer questions.

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S14 Ep25: Follow-Up "WM3 DNA Ruling"

History has been made this week in Arkansas. Damien Echols' fight to test the DNA in his case made it all the way to the Arkansas Supreme Court, where this week The Court reversed the lower court's decision to not allow testing. Legal precedent has now been set, and from the Defense Diaries, Bob and Alison Motta join Bob to break it all down.

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S14 Ep25: WM3 Arkansas Supreme Court Ruling w/ Bob & Ali Motta

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss Alex Campbell's work with his students, the wrongfully convicted woman they helped release from prison, the future of our youth, and what's to come on Truth &amp; Justice over the next few weeks.

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S14 Ep24: Follow-Up S14: E24 "Murder 101"

Bob is joined by Mr. Alex Campbell. Alex is a High School Sociology Teacher in Tennessee, who challenged his class to solve a 30 year old cold case. The results were absolutely incredible. His students developed a profile of the killer, and drew attention to the case, which was an integral part in solving the case known as "The Red Head Murders". Alex and his class were featured on the podcast "Murder 101". The story is fascinating. Just as fascinating is hearing Alex explain his philosophy on teaching today's youth. 

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S14 Ep24: Interview w/ Alex Campbell from "Murder 101"

We didn't have a lot of questions this week, which left room for some great in-depth discussion about the Fred The Head case, the future of Truth &amp; Justice, our mission and what drives us, and much much more.

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S14 Ep23: Follow-Up S14: E23

Ken is the Creator and Host of the amazing UK podcast "The Mysterious Case of Fred the Head". This case is absolutely fascinating and the work Ken and his team have done on the investigation is as good as it gets. Listen in as Ken shares this bizarre story, and explains the progress that he's made in his investigation.

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S14 Ep23: Interview with Ken Davies

Bob and Janet talk about what we've learned from hearing these full interviews, as well as what jumps out when we hear them blended together. They answer listener questions, and everyone seems to agree . . . There is no basic story.

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S14 Ep22: Follow-Up: "The Basic Story"

Listeners Caroline Dwyer and Rachel Riggs spent an enormous amount of time piecing together the similarities and differences between Jay Wilds' first official recorded interview and Jenn Pusateri's recorded interview. The purpose of this episode is to take an objective look at these two statements. When compared together, do they establish a "basic story"?

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S14 Ep22: The Basic Story

Bob, Zaq and Janet have a lengthy discussion about the Delphi double homicide case and tackle a handful of listener questions on the the topic.

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S14 Ep21: Follow-Up S14: E21

Bob is joined by the Host of Defense Diaries, Bob Motta.  Motta has been deep into the weeds of the Delphi case, and has attended every hearing in person.  Motta and Ruff spend over an hour talking about the case, and where it's going.

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S14 Ep21: Bob Motta on Delphi

Janet is on assignment, and Bob and Zaq are talking all about the season finale of Reply Brief.

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S14 Ep20: Follow-Up S14: E20

In this series finale, Bob breaks down The Prosecutors' final theories episode.  This shocking conclusion will leave you wondering how anyone was ever convinced that Adnan was guilty . . . while at the same time giving you a full understanding of how they did it.  In the final segment, Bob shares his detailed theory about what he believes happened to Hae.

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S14 Ep20: The Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 14

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss Bob's response to The Prosecutors' Part 13 of their Adnan Syed series. 

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S14 Ep19: Follow-Up S14: E19

In Part 13, The Prosecutors aim to eliminate all suspects other than Adnan.  In Bob's response he delivers a detailed profile of Hae's killer.  He takes a deep dive into lividity and the double-diamond pressure marks.  And lays out the reasons why he personally believes that Don should not be eliminated as a suspect without further investigation.

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S14 Ep19: The Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 13

Zaq is back and Janet is feeling better.  We finally have all three Hosts in the same episode, and a great discussion ensues about The Prosecutors' Part 12 of their Adnan Syed series, and Bob's Reply Brief episode.

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S14 Ep18: Follow-Up S14: E18

In this week's episode The Prosecutors once again continue to attempt to discredit Asia, and validate the two "Leakin Park Pings".  Bob sets the record straight, and exposes Brett and Alice's strategy of trying to get people to focus on fringe issues in order to distract from the problems in Jay's story and Adnan's real alibi.

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S14 Ep18: Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 12

It's Zaq's turn to be on assignment this week, so Bob and Janet suffer through their lingering colds and hold down the fort.  Today they're talking about The Prosecutors' Part 11, and fielding listener questions.

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S14 Ep17: Follow-Up S14: E17

In part 11 of The Prosecutors' series, Brett and Alice aim to discredit any theories or elements of the case that could lead away from a guilty narrative.  The plot points on this one are: 1.  The reliability of incoming calls.  2.  When did Jay tell Jenn about the murder?  3.  Was there a pay phone at Best Buy?  4.  Did Jay lead the police to Hae's car?  And 5.  Did Jay and Adnan visit Kristi Vinson on the night of the murder?  This is part of their "process of elimination" approach to leaving you with no other options besides a guilty Adnan.  Bob addresses every element and easily points out the flaws in The Prosecutors' arguments.

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S14 Ep17: The Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 11

Janet is under the weather, and Bob and Zaq are left to keep the ship afloat.  They discuss Jay Wilds' second official recorded interview, and answer several listener questions.

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S14 Ep16: Follow-Up S14: E16

This is Jay Wilds' second official recorded interview.  The interview took place on March 15, 1999.  Two weeks after Adnan Syed's arrest.  In this interview Jay has been present with a map of cell tower locations, and the call logs from 1/13/99.  Here Jay's story completely changes from his first official interview on 2/28/99.  The benefit of the audio as opposed to the transcript is that you can hear the long pauses.  You can hear the detectives tapping on something.  And if you listen really closely, you can actually hear them writing things down during some of those pauses.

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S14 Ep16: Jay Wilds 2nd Recorded Interview - Full Audio

It's just Bob and Janet this week.  Zaq is out on assignment.  Bob shares some info about our next case, and he and Janet have a great discussion answering listener questions about Jay's 1st recorded interview.

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S14 Ep15: Follow-Up S14: E15

This is the full, unedited audio from Jay Wilds' first official recorded interview with police.  As the official story goes, Ritz and McGillivary interviewed Jenn Pusateri on 2/27/99 where she told them that Jay had told her that Adnan Syed killed Hae Min Lee.  Later that night, the Detectives picked Jay up at work and took him to the station for an interview.  After a 50 minute unrecorded pre-interview, the tape is turned on in the early morning hours of 2/28/99 to record this interview.

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S14 Ep15: Jay Wilds 1st Recorded Interview - Full Audio

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss Jennifer Pusateri's recorded interview, and answer listener questions.

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S14 Ep14: Follow-Up S14: E14

This is Jennifer Pusateri's full and unedited interview from 2/27/99.  According to the official record, Jenn was first approached by Police at her house on the evening of Feb. 26.  At that point, she told them that she was busy, but agreed to go down to the station to be interviewed later.  She then went to the police station around 9pm on the 26th.  In that interview she told the Detectives that she didn't know anything about Hae's murder.  The next morning, Jenn and her mother met the Detectives at her attorney's home where she was interviewed a second time.  After that, everyone went to the Police station and Jenn was interviewed a third time.  That third interview was recorded, and that's what you will be hearing in this episode.

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S14 Ep14: Jennifer Pusateri Full Recorded Interview - Full Audio

Janet is back from assignment.  She's joined today by Bob and Zaq for a great conversation about The Prosecutors' Part 10 of their Adnan Syed series.  Bob announces the release of the full audio from Jenn's and both of Jay's recorded interviews.

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S14 Ep13: Follow-Up S14: E13

Part 10 is the breakdown of Jay Wilds' trial testimony.  The Prosecutors used this episode to try to dismiss Susan Simpson's discovery of the tapping we hear during Jay's second official interview.  They claim that the jury knew all about that, and it's a perfectly normal practice.  Bob disagrees.

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S14 Ep13: The Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 10

Janet is on assignment this week, and Bob and Zaq are holding down the fort.  The guys have a great discussion about Jay's second interview and answer several listener questions.

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S14 Ep12: Follow-Up S14: E12

Bob completes a full statement analysis on Jay's second official recorded interview.  In this episode we find out who actually said that Adnan went back to track practice to create an alibi.  Who suggested the Nisha call.  Where did Jay actually say he dropped Adnan off.  The revelations we find when actually examining the transcript are truly startling.

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S14 Ep12: The Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 9.5

Bob, Janet and Zaq discuss Jay Wild's first recorded police interview and answer listener questions about Episode 11.

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S14 Ep11: Follow-Up S14: E11

Bob breaks down one of the most critical elements of the case.  In Part 9 of The Prosecutors' series, they cover both of Jay's official recorded interviews.    They breeze by these key elements of the case pretty quickly.  Bob slows things down and focuses only on Jay's first interview in this one.  He simultaneously addresses the things Brett and Alice say, while also doing a thorough statement analysis on the interview itself.

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S14 Ep11: The Prosecutors V. Adnan - Pt. 9

The gang is back from their holiday break, and they sit down to talk all about the "Jennerview".  They discuss the evidence suggesting that Jay was interviewed by police prior to Jenn's interview, inconsistencies between Jay and Jenn's versions of events, the reason why the Detectives were locked into the 3:45 "come get me" call despite not call existing on the record to support it, and lots more.

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S14 Ep10: Follow-Up S14: E10

In this episode Bob breaks down Jenn's recorded interview with police, and discloses all of the evidence that indicates that Jay had been interviewed multiple times before Jenn.

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